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ANSWERED on Tue 9 Dec 2014 - 10:30 pm UTC by Crabcakes

Question: For Crabcakes: Please find Lily Norwood for me.

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 8 Dec 2014 09:37 UTCMon 8 Dec 2014 - 9:37 am UTC 

Hello Susie

I clearly recall your last visit to Uclue and also your invitation:


Crabcakes is still around! I am out of town now, but if you have a question for me, feel free to ask on in a few days! Thanks for asking.



I was particularly impressed by your mention of 'feel free' which is not otherwise heard hereabouts.

Your help is now required to find LILY NORWOOD who I saw live on stage in 'Charlie Girl' in London in 1986.

But please be quick before Myoarin, Ribuck or Davod dive in. You know what they're like.

All the best





 8 Dec 2014 09:50 UTCMon 8 Dec 2014 - 9:50 am UTC 

" ... who I saw live on stage ..."

The Queen doesn't speak that way, even I don't (usually), and I'm an American, but maybe speaking German makes one more aware of case.

Hope you find her, nonetheless. 

Just stirring up the water, as expected, 





 8 Dec 2014 12:07 UTCMon 8 Dec 2014 - 12:07 pm UTC 

Many thanks, Myo

What I should have said is that:

Lily saw me sitting in the Stalls, whilst she danced.

And how she did dance - even at the age of 65 or so!



David Sarokin 


 8 Dec 2014 14:24 UTCMon 8 Dec 2014 - 2:24 pm UTC 

Before finding Lily, we have to find Crabby...!




 8 Dec 2014 21:48 UTCMon 8 Dec 2014 - 9:48 pm UTC 

Well, if she's the lady I think she is, she only used that name earlier on, along with a few others.
Must have been an interesting musical, with dancers in roles titled
Lady so-and-so.

But since the question is for Crabcakes, I'll say no more.




 9 Dec 2014 06:42 UTCTue 9 Dec 2014 - 6:42 am UTC 

Many thanks David & Myoarin

'Charlie Girl' also featured one of my neighbours - the late Dora Bryan.

Dora and I both went to the same school - Hathershaw Council School in Oldham - albeit at different times.

Dora was older than me and a very lovely lady.




 9 Dec 2014 17:15 UTCTue 9 Dec 2014 - 5:15 pm UTC 

I have messaged Susie Crabcakes on Facebook to alert her of this question. I hope she'll check in shortly.




 9 Dec 2014 17:19 UTCTue 9 Dec 2014 - 5:19 pm UTC 

I just got here... will start ASAP!




 9 Dec 2014 17:39 UTCTue 9 Dec 2014 - 5:39 pm UTC 

Hello again,

    Somehow I believe you may already know this! In a preliminary search, it appears that Cyd Charisse, who died in 2008, performed in 'Charlie Girl' and was also known as Lily Norwood. If I am on the right track, I will gladly research further, and supply my resources as well.

    Thank you for asking for me!
    Warm regards, Crabcakes




 9 Dec 2014 19:03 UTCTue 9 Dec 2014 - 7:03 pm UTC 

Truly Wonderful, Crabcakes, it's great to see you again.

And Very Many Thanks to Pinkfreud for sending out an alert.

I am now looking forward to your research on one of my favourite dancers.

Please note that several Researchers now show photos or cartoon-like characters purporting to be them.

All the best





 9 Dec 2014 22:22 UTCTue 9 Dec 2014 - 10:22 pm UTC 


Congratulations, not just on your good taste in dancers, more especially for conjuring up our favoratie Pinkie and Crabcakes.  I remember her well - well, about as well as in the song, but the sentiments ... 
Ah, the good old days, when we all danced on GA!  Bitter-sweet sigh.

Thanks and Cheers,  Myo




 9 Dec 2014 22:30 UTCTue 9 Dec 2014 - 10:30 pm UTC 

Hello again, Bryan!

As a child, I remember hearing Cyd Charisse’s name a lot, as I am quite sure my parents were fans. However, in my mildly egotistical only-child world, I used to think she and Sid Caeser were one and the same, and never paid attention. Clearly, they are not the same person, and now I regret not watching Cyd Charisse - she was definitely a classy woman!

Cyd Charisse, once known as Lily Norwood, was born as Tula Ellice Finklea, March 8, 1921 and had an extensive career including 55 film credits, before passing away on June 17, 2008 at the age of 87.  There are links to clips you may view, further down this link, under Archive Footage, though none I saw were free, being held by Amazon.com.

Your star, Lily Norwood, seemingly started her career out of true passion, as name recognition appeared unimportant to her at the time. ““By the early 1940s, Ms. Charisse had been spotted by studio scouts and her first film roles — as Lily Norwood — followed.”  “She made her film debut in 1943 under the name Lily Norwood in “Something to Shout About,” with Don Ameche and Janet Blair, and then spent almost a decade performing in small roles and sometimes anonymously before she got her big break. That came with “Singin’ in the Rain,” released in 1952.”
The New York Times, June, 2008

“On June 16, 2008, Cyd was admitted to Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles after suffering a heart attack. She died the following day on June 17, 2008, at the age of eighty-six, and was buried at Hillside Memorial Park Cemetery in Culver City, California. She was survived by her husband of just over sixty years, Tony Martin, and her two sons.”

Ms. Charisse also danced as a teen, with the Ballet Russe, using the name Felia Sidorova.

“She also worked in theater in the 1980s, performing in Charlie Girl in London.  One blogger, R.A.D. Stainforth, wrote of seeing Charisse in Charlie Girl at the Victoria Palace theater in the mid-1980s when “London theatregoers gave her a huge ovation.””
Found on this site was the following reference to a video, also available for purchase “A Conversation with Actors and Dancers Ann Miller, Skitch Henderson, Cyd Charisse and Van Johnson about the Heyday of Hollywood Movie Musicals and a 1997 Tribute entitled ‘MGM at Carnegie Hall’,” The Charlie Rose Show, Monday, July 14, 1997 (video, 26:35 minutes).”
The Pop History Dig

The above video can be purchased on Amazon.com

Here is a clip of Cyd Charisse performing “Charlie Girl” in  the 1986 London performance:

Not “Charlie Girl” but Gene Kelly and Cyd Charisse:

A bit of info on the performance:

If interested, you may be able to snag a program on eBay

This was an interesting topic! Good to hear from you and I hope to be able to research for you again in the future!
Warm regards, Crabcakes




 10 Dec 2014 10:27 UTCWed 10 Dec 2014 - 10:27 am UTC 

Very many thanks, Crabcakes, you have certainly come back with both a bang and also with a stunning photo of yourself!

I very much enjoyed reading your collection of stuff on Lily and the mentions of GENE KELLY reminded me that I once had the pleasure of meeting him.

He had come across to London in 1983 to compère the Royal Variety Performance and a friend of mine who was a Show Biz correspondent for a Daily Newspaper invited me along to the Dress Rehearsal.

Gene was much smaller in the flesh than he appeared on screen.

You have stirred many fond memories and I am delighted to award you a further 10 Stars to supplement the 5 above:


All the best





 10 Dec 2014 15:28 UTCWed 10 Dec 2014 - 3:28 pm UTC 

Thank you for your tip, Bryan, and the bonus 10 stars just tickled me! How fortunate for you to attend Royal Variety performances! (I did once attend the New York Metropolitan Opera, for Placido Domingo's performance in "La Fanciulla del West" - my one and only foray into live opera!) I feel honored that you remembered me, and  I thoroughly enjoyed this research. Again I say "Feel free..."  Happy Holidays, Crabcakes


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