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Question: Worst organization chart

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mearshm 

Customer

 19 Sep 2007 23:29 UTCWed 19 Sep 2007 - 11:29 pm UTC 

Okay, here is a weird one.  Go into images and find me the most convoluted complicated organization chart in the world. A chart in any language would do. 70 points for number of total sub boxes on the chart, 20 points for dendrite shape/numbers of levels, and another 10 points for extraneous odd characteristics.
You get five extra points if it is in Russian.  (I think the biggest organization in the world was Gosagroprom created under Gorbachev and brought down by its own weight a few years later but I don't think you can find the chart anywhere.)
Good luck,
Mike

 

pinkfreud 

Researcher

 20 Sep 2007 01:45 UTCThu 20 Sep 2007 - 1:45 am UTC 

It isn't exactly an organization chart in the conventional sense, but the Google Master Plan is mind-boggling:

http://undergoogle.com/tools/GoogleMasterPlanEN.html

http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2006/11/full-google-master-plan-10.html

http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/061127-092824

Would this meet your needs?

 

David Sarokin 

Researcher

 20 Sep 2007 01:51 UTCThu 20 Sep 2007 - 1:51 am UTC 

None of these are quite as ambitious as the Google MasterPlan, and they don't rise to the level of world's worst chart, but they're certainly a few giant steps along in that direction:

http://www.apsu.edu/oconnort/images/diagrams/terroragencyresponsechart.gif

http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/anthrax/flowchart.gif

http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/wwii/orgadmin/chart10.gif

http://www.geocities.com/admit00001/pictures/WCflowchart.jpg


Let us know what you think.

David

 

David Sarokin 

Researcher

 20 Sep 2007 01:52 UTCThu 20 Sep 2007 - 1:52 am UTC 

P.S.  Be sure to view the charts in their enlarged formats (bigger than a single screen), to see them in all their glory

 

Roger Browne 

Researcher

 20 Sep 2007 11:06 UTCThu 20 Sep 2007 - 11:06 am UTC 

Sometimes the complexity of the chart is disguised by breaking it down into subcharts.

The org chart of the Minneapolis Park & Recreation Board looks disarmingly simple, but notice how "General Manager Operations/Services" appears on all eleven charts. If they were drawn as one big chart it would be ugly:

Minneapolis Park & Recreation Board - Organizational Chart
http://www.minneapolisparks.org/default.asp?PageID=158

 

anonsi 

User

 20 Sep 2007 14:04 UTCThu 20 Sep 2007 - 2:04 pm UTC 

Here are two more for you.  They're definitely not as good as some of the others, but are still funny nonetheless.

http://www.babylonfalls.org/images/revelation_chart.gif

http://ame2.asu.edu/faculty/todd/ORG.jpg

 

Rob Bowler 

Researcher

 20 Sep 2007 21:19 UTCThu 20 Sep 2007 - 9:19 pm UTC 

 

myoarin 

User

 20 Sep 2007 22:43 UTCThu 20 Sep 2007 - 10:43 pm UTC 

I was suspecting that, that the organizational chart for the US government  (Bowler's second link) was that convoluted, AND that the office of homeland security had a line to almost everywhere.  For a moment, I thought the lines from it encompassed everything.

 

David Sarokin 

Researcher

 21 Sep 2007 00:50 UTCFri 21 Sep 2007 - 12:50 am UTC 

Ha ha!  Here's (ostensibly) an org chart of the Windows operating system:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/images/SysCallIIS.jpg

 

David Sarokin 

Researcher

 21 Sep 2007 01:10 UTCFri 21 Sep 2007 - 1:10 am UTC 

 

mearshm 

Customer

 21 Sep 2007 01:15 UTCFri 21 Sep 2007 - 1:15 am UTC 

Okay, okay, I give.
I can't make a decision on this tonight.  I have a splitting headache after studying these charts.
Mike
P.S.  I think you are all geniuses.

 

David Sarokin 

Researcher

 21 Sep 2007 02:32 UTCFri 21 Sep 2007 - 2:32 am UTC 

I hope your head won't explode, but here are:two nice neat Russian org charts


http://www.liter.ru/UPLOAD/Image/org_str.png

http://www.risot.safework.ru/Images/scheme.gif

 

Rob Bowler 

Researcher

 21 Sep 2007 21:40 UTCFri 21 Sep 2007 - 9:40 pm UTC 

"A picture says a Thousand words", how a corporation really works:

http://www.19.5degs.com/element/16536.php

 

mearshm 

Customer

 22 Sep 2007 00:35 UTCSat 22 Sep 2007 - 12:35 am UTC 

Incredible work!

David S. takes it but I want to tip Roger B., Pinkfreud, and Bobbie 7 for more than noble efforts.  Can this be done?
Anon, yours was breathtaking and Bowler, I wonder if how a corp really works is re-printable...it's a masterpiece.

Look at what you've done here, gone back in history to the 1944 Surgeon general, moved to the international to some great Russian collections and finally national, state and local.  This all raises many questions: Is man hardwired to construct these things?  If Minneapolis were in Kentucky and that was inside Russia, what would the organizational chart of Minneapolis Parks and Recreation look like?

Thanks to you all.

 

David Sarokin 

Answer

 22 Sep 2007 01:24 UTCSat 22 Sep 2007 - 1:24 am UTC 

mearshm,

Thanks for accepting my links as the answer here, though I must say, I was mightily impressed by some of the other org charts that my colleagues turned up.  In fact, it's given me the germ of an idea for a website that I might have to build one day.

This was fun.  Thanks for bringing your question to Uclue.  As for tipping other researchers, there's no built in mechanism for that, I'm afraid.  Some clients have posted mock-questions to a specific researcher's attention (eg Question for Bobbie7:  What's your favorite color?).  The researcher "answers" the question and collects the fee, and is thereby tipped.

Let us know when your book is done.

David

 

mearshm 

Customer

 22 Sep 2007 01:27 UTCSat 22 Sep 2007 - 1:27 am UTC 

I don't know how you guys can do this.  Wow.

 

Roger Browne 

Researcher

 22 Sep 2007 10:00 UTCSat 22 Sep 2007 - 10:00 am UTC 

Hi mearshm,

Glad you enjoyed these charts, and thanks for the kind comments.

Don't worry about a separate tip - in the long run there's plenty of "give and take" between Uclue Researchers and it all balances out.

We look forward to answering more of your questions at Uclue.

Regards,
eiffel

 

ribuck 

User

 27 Apr 2010 15:51 UTCTue 27 Apr 2010 - 3:51 pm UTC 

It's more a strategy chart than an org chart, but this Afghanistan War military strategy slide is pretty impressive:

"We have met the enemy and he is PowerPoint"
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/world/27powerpoint.html?hp

 

David Sarokin 

Researcher

 27 Apr 2010 20:41 UTCTue 27 Apr 2010 - 8:41 pm UTC 

That's a great find, ribuck, and a copy is now hanging up on my office wall.  I'm posting this to make sure Mike gets an email about the link (above), as I suspect he'll appreciate it.

David

 

myoarin 

User

 27 Apr 2010 23:07 UTCTue 27 Apr 2010 - 11:07 pm UTC 

Hi Ribuck,

Thanks for your long memory.  It is not even a strategy chart:  no direction.

A modern Gordian Knot.

 

mearshm 

Customer

 27 Apr 2010 23:46 UTCTue 27 Apr 2010 - 11:46 pm UTC 

Looks like Hawking's map of the universe (don't talk with the aliens!) ... or maybe some Gaussian thing with multiple poles.
You guys are all geniuses.
:>)

 

Clara Horvath 

Researcher

 28 Apr 2010 23:30 UTCWed 28 Apr 2010 - 11:30 pm UTC 

Edward Tufte, the leading expert on the visual display of information, has something to say on the subject.

http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/powerpoint
The Cognitive Style of Powerpoint: The Pitching Out Corrupts Within

The cover illustration is in a military vein.
 
---------------
Will Microsoft improve PP?

The record for incremental reform in the cognitive style of PowerPoint is not promising. In the many release versions of PP, the intellectual level has not been raised. New releases have drifted toward ingrown self-parody, featuring ever more elaborated PP Phluff and presenter therapy. These changes have made the new version different from the previous version, but not smarter. There are no incentives for meaningful change in a monopoly product with an 86% gross profit margin, only incentives to make it different, somehow, from the previous release. PP competes only with itself.

-- Edward Tufte, September 20, 2005

http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0001yB&topic_id=1
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myoarin 

User

 29 Apr 2010 13:23 UTCThu 29 Apr 2010 - 1:23 pm UTC 

WOW!

The topic has changed a bit, but the links about Power Point are disturbing and interesting.  I have spent hours reading the last one. 
How the bullets of the medium kill the message!

The last half of the blog discussion could be helpful to anyone stuck in the PPP environment.

 

David Sarokin 

Researcher

 18 May 2015 12:22 UTCMon 18 May 2015 - 12:22 pm UTC 

I had occasion to revisit this question just now. To my dismay, almost all the original links now lead to 404's. What a shame. There was some great stuff there.

David

 

nelson 

User

 20 May 2015 05:04 UTCWed 20 May 2015 - 5:04 am UTC 

 

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